<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Michaëlle Jean eats seal heart, makes a dishonest point</title>
	<atom:link href="http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/</link>
	<description>Animals, veterinary medicine and history, religion and more...</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 23:03:22 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: brebis noire</title>
		<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/#comment-272</link>
		<dc:creator>brebis noire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-272</guid>
		<description>&quot;Would you also, say, be willing to oppose the senseless slaughter of innocent mice via mousetraps? The genocidal use of bug spray against our brothren the mosquitos?&quot;

Hm, typical bad-faith and irrational argument to obscure the fact that we are treating our domestic animals very poorly indeed, and destroying many wild species and their habitats with bad policies and lack of real science. (And I do have to deal with mice in my house - I keep cats partly for that reason. Poison and traps are not fun to deal with. As for insects, I almost never use bug spray and I appreciate spiders, birds and bats for their power to control bug populations.)

Moving right along...Very interesting points, mouthyorange - I am grateful for your insight and comments. I don&#039;t really know what the GG thinks about these things, maybe she has a public and a private take on them, and constantly finds herself in positions where she has to balance politics with personal views, I don&#039;t know. Of course, if a person rises to the position of GG, it seems to me almost necessary that she will have to make compromises on her political views and personal feelings. I think she&#039;s maybe even done so with regard to Quebec nationalism - she has endured fierce criticism, even from family members on that score. 

I don&#039;t envy her position, and as I said, I would&#039;ve probably eaten seal heart myself if I were on an official visit to the North - I don&#039;t really have any objection to that, and in some ways it even seems like a mystical, atavistic connection with nature and hunting. Very far removed from commercial hunts.

Why ever do we want to shove unwanted seal products and furs down the throats of unwilling Europeans is what I want to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Would you also, say, be willing to oppose the senseless slaughter of innocent mice via mousetraps? The genocidal use of bug spray against our brothren the mosquitos?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hm, typical bad-faith and irrational argument to obscure the fact that we are treating our domestic animals very poorly indeed, and destroying many wild species and their habitats with bad policies and lack of real science. (And I do have to deal with mice in my house &#8211; I keep cats partly for that reason. Poison and traps are not fun to deal with. As for insects, I almost never use bug spray and I appreciate spiders, birds and bats for their power to control bug populations.)</p>
<p>Moving right along&#8230;Very interesting points, mouthyorange &#8211; I am grateful for your insight and comments. I don&#8217;t really know what the GG thinks about these things, maybe she has a public and a private take on them, and constantly finds herself in positions where she has to balance politics with personal views, I don&#8217;t know. Of course, if a person rises to the position of GG, it seems to me almost necessary that she will have to make compromises on her political views and personal feelings. I think she&#8217;s maybe even done so with regard to Quebec nationalism &#8211; she has endured fierce criticism, even from family members on that score. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t envy her position, and as I said, I would&#8217;ve probably eaten seal heart myself if I were on an official visit to the North &#8211; I don&#8217;t really have any objection to that, and in some ways it even seems like a mystical, atavistic connection with nature and hunting. Very far removed from commercial hunts.</p>
<p>Why ever do we want to shove unwanted seal products and furs down the throats of unwilling Europeans is what I want to know.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: mouthyorange</title>
		<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>mouthyorange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-271</guid>
		<description>I mean, &quot;Taking the way she handled the seal thing into account with the decision she made last Autumn …&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, &#8220;Taking the way she handled the seal thing into account with the decision she made last Autumn …&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: mouthyorange</title>
		<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>mouthyorange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-270</guid>
		<description>Marvellous post, brebis. I agree with every point you made, which makes it hard for me to offer a substantial comment! And I love your handling of the anti-hippy baiting comment. It was as though you were grounding lightning.

I discussed this topic with a friend this morning before I read your post. Taking it into account with the decision she made last Autumn when she disempowered one of the most important check and balance mechanisms our parliamentary system had, we propose that although Jean has charm and grace she appears to be superficial and so lacks the depth that the GG needs to have to handle the issues and events that someone in that position must deal with. And so has said and done things without fully understanding the implications or effects they will have, or knowing how to handle them more carefully. In other words, in spite of knowing how to move gracefully throughout the world, there is still a naîveté. (Did I spell that right? Not in my French dictionary.)

Which raises for me the philosophical — or perhaps psychological — question of what is dishonesty. If Jean was being dishonest in the way you suggest, do you think it was a conscious kind of dishonesty? That would be one thing. If it was not conscious and instead has to do with dealing with political events in a superficial way, I wonder whether her handling of this event (and the earlier one, as well) reflects a lack of awareness (not yet awakened), or rather a suppressed awareness (denial). And I wonder whether we can even know.

What do you think, brebis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvellous post, brebis. I agree with every point you made, which makes it hard for me to offer a substantial comment! And I love your handling of the anti-hippy baiting comment. It was as though you were grounding lightning.</p>
<p>I discussed this topic with a friend this morning before I read your post. Taking it into account with the decision she made last Autumn when she disempowered one of the most important check and balance mechanisms our parliamentary system had, we propose that although Jean has charm and grace she appears to be superficial and so lacks the depth that the GG needs to have to handle the issues and events that someone in that position must deal with. And so has said and done things without fully understanding the implications or effects they will have, or knowing how to handle them more carefully. In other words, in spite of knowing how to move gracefully throughout the world, there is still a naîveté. (Did I spell that right? Not in my French dictionary.)</p>
<p>Which raises for me the philosophical — or perhaps psychological — question of what is dishonesty. If Jean was being dishonest in the way you suggest, do you think it was a conscious kind of dishonesty? That would be one thing. If it was not conscious and instead has to do with dealing with political events in a superficial way, I wonder whether her handling of this event (and the earlier one, as well) reflects a lack of awareness (not yet awakened), or rather a suppressed awareness (denial). And I wonder whether we can even know.</p>
<p>What do you think, brebis?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ben Hicks</title>
		<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-269</guid>
		<description>&quot;And as pale pointed out, a lot of us non-hippies are working on getting the message out about cows, sheep and chickens – all of them animals that I have learned to love and respect. I’m not racist, and I’m not speciesist either – all animal species deserve respect and understanding.&quot;

Interesting. Would you also, say, be willing to oppose the senseless slaughter of innocent mice via mousetraps? The genocidal use of bug spray against our brothren the mosquitos?

In nature there&#039;s this thing called a &quot;food chain&quot; which commonly doesn&#039;t leave much room for interspecies &quot;respect and understanding&quot;. Seals, for instance, and carnivores. They shed no tears over the fish, birds and other smaller animals they eat. And if a small child went up to one of these fully grown beasts, it would cheerfully bite his face off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And as pale pointed out, a lot of us non-hippies are working on getting the message out about cows, sheep and chickens – all of them animals that I have learned to love and respect. I’m not racist, and I’m not speciesist either – all animal species deserve respect and understanding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting. Would you also, say, be willing to oppose the senseless slaughter of innocent mice via mousetraps? The genocidal use of bug spray against our brothren the mosquitos?</p>
<p>In nature there&#8217;s this thing called a &#8220;food chain&#8221; which commonly doesn&#8217;t leave much room for interspecies &#8220;respect and understanding&#8221;. Seals, for instance, and carnivores. They shed no tears over the fish, birds and other smaller animals they eat. And if a small child went up to one of these fully grown beasts, it would cheerfully bite his face off.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: rww</title>
		<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>rww</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-266</guid>
		<description>I wonder how many of these ant-meat eaters are Christians and how they reconcile their beliefs with the fact that god made us omnivores (according to their beliefs).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many of these ant-meat eaters are Christians and how they reconcile their beliefs with the fact that god made us omnivores (according to their beliefs).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: brebis noire</title>
		<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>brebis noire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-265</guid>
		<description>&quot;I can think of several billion cows, sheep and chickens who wish that they could get this kind of attention from the bleeding heart hippy crowd.&quot;

Funny, I don&#039;t what&#039;s wrong with bleeding from the heart from time to time, and furthermore I&#039;m too young and well-groomed to be a hippy.

And as pale pointed out, a lot of us non-hippies are working on getting the message out about cows, sheep and chickens - all of them animals that I have learned to love and respect. I&#039;m not racist, and I&#039;m not speciesist either - all animal species deserve respect and understanding. And I have nothing against hippies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can think of several billion cows, sheep and chickens who wish that they could get this kind of attention from the bleeding heart hippy crowd.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny, I don&#8217;t what&#8217;s wrong with bleeding from the heart from time to time, and furthermore I&#8217;m too young and well-groomed to be a hippy.</p>
<p>And as pale pointed out, a lot of us non-hippies are working on getting the message out about cows, sheep and chickens &#8211; all of them animals that I have learned to love and respect. I&#8217;m not racist, and I&#8217;m not speciesist either &#8211; all animal species deserve respect and understanding. And I have nothing against hippies.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: brebis noire</title>
		<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/#comment-264</link>
		<dc:creator>brebis noire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-264</guid>
		<description>saskboy, you&#039;re right. I don&#039;t think she explicitly set out to make this about the commercial seal hunt, but on the other hand, it&#039;s a shout-out to the commercial industry. I&#039;ve always liked Michaëlle, and I&#039;d probably even be open to sharing some raw seal heart if I were up North too. Like Lilian, I have a lot of respect for the rigours of life in the North, and for the way people have evolved and adapted to a diet that includes a lot of animal meat and fat - including livers that contain a lot of vitamin D that they wouldn&#039;t be getting from the sunshine half of the year. However, it is a subsistence diet, a fragile ecosystem, and a harsh climate - and to turn a simple act of sharing into a pro-commerical seal hunt message is just wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saskboy, you&#8217;re right. I don&#8217;t think she explicitly set out to make this about the commercial seal hunt, but on the other hand, it&#8217;s a shout-out to the commercial industry. I&#8217;ve always liked Michaëlle, and I&#8217;d probably even be open to sharing some raw seal heart if I were up North too. Like Lilian, I have a lot of respect for the rigours of life in the North, and for the way people have evolved and adapted to a diet that includes a lot of animal meat and fat &#8211; including livers that contain a lot of vitamin D that they wouldn&#8217;t be getting from the sunshine half of the year. However, it is a subsistence diet, a fragile ecosystem, and a harsh climate &#8211; and to turn a simple act of sharing into a pro-commerical seal hunt message is just wrong.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lilian  Nattel</title>
		<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilian  Nattel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-263</guid>
		<description>I saw that on the news and it bothered me. When Inuit hunted seal as part of their traditional culture there wasn&#039;t a whole lot of opportunity to eat vegetables up there. They ate what they needed. The situation of Inuit in Canada is awful. But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s going to be redressed by commercial seal hunting. On the other hand, I don&#039;t see that the commercial treatment of other animals raised for food is humane either. The beauty of seals as opposed to cows or pigs gets celebrities involved (plus celebrities can do without a fur coat, but perhaps not without a burger?). In my book the meat industry should be equally protested. Anyway Brebis, I always enjoy reading your posts, and this one as always has brought up a number of thought provoking and insightful points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that on the news and it bothered me. When Inuit hunted seal as part of their traditional culture there wasn&#8217;t a whole lot of opportunity to eat vegetables up there. They ate what they needed. The situation of Inuit in Canada is awful. But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s going to be redressed by commercial seal hunting. On the other hand, I don&#8217;t see that the commercial treatment of other animals raised for food is humane either. The beauty of seals as opposed to cows or pigs gets celebrities involved (plus celebrities can do without a fur coat, but perhaps not without a burger?). In my book the meat industry should be equally protested. Anyway Brebis, I always enjoy reading your posts, and this one as always has brought up a number of thought provoking and insightful points.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ben Hicks</title>
		<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/#comment-262</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 12:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-262</guid>
		<description>I can think of several billion cows, sheep and chickens who wish that they could get this kind of attention from the bleeding heart hippy crowd. Sadly, their young are not nearly as cute and their deaths (taking place in slaughterhouses instead of iceflows) are much less photogenic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can think of several billion cows, sheep and chickens who wish that they could get this kind of attention from the bleeding heart hippy crowd. Sadly, their young are not nearly as cute and their deaths (taking place in slaughterhouses instead of iceflows) are much less photogenic.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Saskboy</title>
		<link>http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/2009/05/26/michaelle-jean-eats-seal-heart-makes-a-dishonest-point/#comment-261</link>
		<dc:creator>Saskboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 05:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://brebisnoire.wordpress.com/?p=145#comment-261</guid>
		<description>According to the coverage I saw, the media entirely took it in the context of support for the seal hunt, and she didn&#039;t deny it because she probably at that moment felt it was a good opportunity to show a backbone having lacked one late last year. She probably only set out to share an authentic Canadian experience with Canadian subjects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the coverage I saw, the media entirely took it in the context of support for the seal hunt, and she didn&#8217;t deny it because she probably at that moment felt it was a good opportunity to show a backbone having lacked one late last year. She probably only set out to share an authentic Canadian experience with Canadian subjects.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
